They allow more gas/fuel mixture to flow in and out of the cylinders. More air/gas = more power.
75 XS650B with 79 forks and dual disc, braided lines, disc brake on back, Pamco ignition, Pamcopete's reg/rec mods, kill switch relay, home made harness, all LED turn, brake and tail lights, tapered head bearings, bronze bushes in swing arm, soon to get shock and fork upgrades
An inexpensive way to get a set of oversize valves is to buy a couple of heads from a XV750 Virago. They spec out right and are larger. You will still have to have a machine shop cut and install new larger seats. I have been using a set for a couple of seasons in my flattrack bike and have no complaints. Use heavier/aftermarket springs too.
I had originally bought the standard size stainless steel valves from MikesXS:
05-0067 XS Performance Polished Stainless steel Exhaust Valve with collets. Fits: All 650's 1970-84 Replaces OEM #341-12121-01
05-0065 XS Performance Polished Stainless steel Intaket Valve with collets. Fits: All 650's 1970-84 Replaces OEM #341-12111-02
But I decided getting these oversized ones too after I got a answer to my question. I'm very curious how much this might help performance.
This is a full set of performace valves for the Yamaha XS650. There are two 2mm oversize intake valves and two 2mm oversize exhaust valves. These are custom made in small quantities to exacting tolerances, not mass produced. Exhausts use an inconel alloy which has a high temperature threshold. This alloy is normally used in turbocharged applications which makes it a good material for air cooled engines which can run very hot. Custom valves can be made in any size for many applications and more will be listed as they become available.
Inconel alloys are oxidation and corrosion resistant materials well suited for service in extreme environments. When heated, Inconel forms a thick, stable, passivating oxide layer protecting the surface from further attack. Inconel retains strength over a wide temperature range, attractive for high temperature applications where aluminum and steel would succumb to creep as a result of thermally-induced crystal vacancies (see Arrhenius equation). Inconel's high temperature strength is developed by solid solution strengthening or precipitation strengthening, depending on the alloy. In age hardening or precipitation strengthening varieties, small amounts of niobium combine with nickel to form the intermetallic compound Ni3Nb or gamma prime (ã'). Gamma prime forms small cubic crystals that inhibit slip and creep effectively at elevated temperatures.
How difficult is it to cut the larger valve seats into the head? Can you use the normal valve seat cutting tools, as in those available from Mikes XS? I would think all you have to do is measure where you need to to be and cut away until you get there. Sounds too easy, what am I missing? It's been 30 years since I cut a valve seat and my guess is it's been that long since your local Yamaha shop has done it on an XS head.
you have to open up the throat too,you want it some where between 80% to 86% of valve diameter,some even go higher then radius the bottom cut in and unshroud the valves or you'll loose flow at all lifts.
You can cut head to accept oversize intake but it is quite a lot of cutting. You have to have correct installed height (about 0.020" less than stock is OK and same as shimming springs) Cutting seats to 43mm pockets the valves so you then have to open up combustion chamber to restore flow. I don't do oversize exhausts, doesn't really need them even with 800cc motor. I have no experience of Mikes XS seat cutters but it looks like they would work. PJ
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I'm only going to 700cc, but have the Lillie porting on the head and am running 36mm flatslide carbs, so this would probably help, but I'm thinking the affect would be marginal, and this is way too much trouble for my lazy arse. I also want to keep peak power down near the stock redline, so don't want her breathing too hard.
I think I'll probably stick with stock valves, MMM recommended the new stainless steel version, but I've heard they may be a little soft for the radical cam I'm planning to run. Anyone have an opinion on this?
Yes..........stay away from undercut valve stems, once the uncut stem is exposed to the mixture or gases you create greater resistance by forcing a change of opposing air speeds at the uncut and undercut stem sections and the flow #s will fluctuate up and down rather than stabilize thru the curve. you can hear this change when flowing,you'd be better off with a straight cut stem and thicker valve margins over all to assist in straightening out the flow past the margin and reducing resistance,I know I'm biased when it comes to margins but they flat out work to your advantage in performance.
Hey Dennis, I'd recommend you stick with the stock sizes if you are going to run a radical cam, especially with 700 cc. The smaller valves will help the low rpm/midrange operation. You can always consider going to the larger valves if it dynos out too soft on top. Hope your project is going well. Craig
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edwarddav: I have a 72 Xs, The Carb. Boots are gone, How do I make them or can you Buy them somewhere, Everywhere I look Out of stock,
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Slimbob: Did you try Mike's XS or 650 Central? They usually have them.
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joshelrich: Hey guys. new guy here. Where is the map and where does one introduce himself to the group? I've got a pretty cool project in the works. Trying to relive my youth. Ha ha. 80 frame, 71 engine case with 650 central long rod, big pin 750 kit. Shell 1 cam.
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mwb122: Another newbie here. I appreciate the page and being accepted. Just brought home a 78 xs650 special. She is running good after a little TLC. So far I have cleaned the carbs, battery, fixed leaking clutch push rod oil seal. Now what to do with her.
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mwb122: Bought a 79 special in 79. Was a great bike then and it is great to see they have such a large following!!!
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oldcodgerhenry: Gooday ,all .new Pamco basic ign replacement arrived yesterday ,But the coil wires are different color ,to the trigger wires ,don't want to fry new one.
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floris: at this moment, my XS is with Jerry v.d. Heiden, a well known XS tuner in the Netherlands.
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floris: The engine become's a rephased 270 crank.
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floris: Also a bigbore cilinder set of 890 cc.
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floris: Also a long stroke is gona be applied, what makes the total about approx. 1000cc.
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floris: 965 cc to be exact.
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