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Post by pamcopete on Apr 1, 2010 5:44:26 GMT -5
jef,
I had to order the Pennzoil Motorcycle oil on line at about $3.00 a quart. That's about a 1 1/2 to 2 year supply. The shipping cost was about $1 a bottle. You may find it at a local oil distributor.
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Post by tomterrific on Apr 1, 2010 6:59:30 GMT -5
Jeffery,
You are safe buying any 20w-50 Motorcycle labled oil. You should be able to find Motorcycle oil at any auto parts store or even a large everything store like Meijers.
Some real synthectics (M1) have a multi viscosity characteristic and do not need polimers to thicken the oil at higher temperatures.
Tom Graham
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Post by jeffery on Apr 1, 2010 9:33:21 GMT -5
What wt. is the Pennzoil motorclye oil? Is it a 20-50 or 15-? wt oil? What wt. Pennzoil motorcycle should I be looking for? Looking for it locally but so far no luck and I live in a pretty large city. I think a lot of people probably select an oil based on availability more tlhen anything. When you want to go ride tomorrow but your order of oil isn't in yet your probably going to change oil to something easy to acquire. I don't know how Pennzoil expects to sell much of this type of oil if they don't get it out there on the shelf.
Jeffery
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Post by retiredgentleman on Apr 1, 2010 10:38:41 GMT -5
Skidro;
Thanks for posting that useful info. It would appear that it may be better to keep away from the high detergent diesel oils.
I would be interested in the Pennzoil Motorcycle Oil if it was available locally, but I have never seen it here in Calgary.
I'll have a look around for the Castrol Syntec 20W50 synthetic.
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Post by pablosixfivezero on Apr 1, 2010 11:06:21 GMT -5
so is 20wt/50 car oil ok for bikes? BUMP |
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Post by pamcopete on Apr 1, 2010 11:28:40 GMT -5
What wt. is the Pennzoil motorclye oil? Is it a 20-50 or 15-? wt oil? What wt. Pennzoil motorcycle should I be looking for? Looking for it locally but so far no luck and I live in a pretty large city. I think a lot of people probably select an oil based on availability more tlhen anything. When you want to go ride tomorrow but your order of oil isn't in yet your probably going to change oil to something easy to acquire. I don't know how Pennzoil expects to sell much of this type of oil if they don't get it out there on the shelf. Jeffery The Pennzoil Motorcycle oil is available in 10W40 and 20W50. I am using the 20W50. You could use Pennzoil Automobile 20W50 to top up if you are waiting for your order to come in. That oil is available everywhere, or 10W40 would do in a pinch to top up the sump. And, if you are due for a change but your order hasn't come in, you can always do one more trip, if you change often. |
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Post by jeffery on Apr 1, 2010 22:07:12 GMT -5
Was at a local Yamaha shop today looking at the various motorclycle oils. Yamaha is real proud of their Yamalube 20-50 at $6.43 a quart and that was just straight oil not any synthetic. That makes Yamalube the hands down winner. At twice the price of Pennzoil it obviously must possess twice the lubication properties as well. By the way where are you guys ordering the Pennzoil motorcycle oil?
Jeffery
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Post by pamcopete on Apr 2, 2010 6:16:30 GMT -5
jeffery, I ordered mine from www.oilstore.com/ and got it in a couple of days. You may find a better price elsewhere, or perhaps free shipping, just Google "Pennzoil motorcycle oil" I also think I could have done better at a local petroleum distributer, but I was just too lazy to pick up the phone. The INTERNET has ruined us all!! So, look in your yellow pages for a petroleum products distributor. That's where I used to get oil for my airplane (back in the day...  ... ) and I saved a bunch. 2 engines....  ...8 quarts each of expensive AeroShell....  |
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Post by zeus on Apr 5, 2010 1:14:05 GMT -5
@pamcopete Which Pennzoil 20W-50 Motorcycle oil did u used??    thanks |
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Post by pamcopete on Apr 5, 2010 6:07:00 GMT -5
Zeus,  I think I'm reading a slightly higher pressure on my oil pressure gauge with this oil. Maybe a couple of PSI when the engine is hot, which would be significant in a range of 3 to 7 PSI. Could be because of the advertised "anti foaming" qualities because I had always thought that foaming contributed to the low pressure. I would notice that when restarting the engine after it had cooled down a bit. The pressure did not return even though the engine was cooler, so I figured there was still air in the oil. Also explains the very high pressure on first startup in the morning in addition to the effect of temperature, all the air bubbles in the oil have dissipated. Here's a quick word on anti foaming agents: Anti-Foam Additives Substances that prevent foaming. Air entrapment in lubricating oil can cause oil starvation due to the presence of air bubbles at the contacting surfaces. This may lead to catastrophic failure of moving components. It is of particular importance for gear box systems where aeration is often severe during normal running conditions. "Gear Box Systems"...that's the XS650. |
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Post by zeus on Apr 5, 2010 6:29:54 GMT -5
Zeus, I think I'm reading a slightly higher pressure on my oil pressure gauge with this oil. Maybe a couple of PSI when the engine is hot, which would be significant in a range of 3 to 7 PSI. Could be because of the advertised "anti foaming" qualities because I had always thought that foaming contributed to the low pressure. I would notice that when restarting the engine after it had cooled down a bit. The pressure did not return even though the engine was cooler, so I figured there was still air in the oil. Also explains the very high pressure on first startup in the morning in addition to the effect of temperature, all the air bubbles in the oil have dissipated. Here's a quick word on anti foaming agents: Anti-Foam Additives Substances that prevent foaming. Air entrapment in lubricating oil can cause oil starvation due to the presence of air bubbles at the contacting surfaces. This may lead to catastrophic failure of moving components. It is of particular importance for gear box systems where aeration is often severe during normal running conditions. "Gear Box Systems"...that's the XS650. So basically which type of pennzoil oil do u prefer and it's better for me to use? because from your quote with this type of oil after the engine is cooled down the air still in the oil, that's bad right? but the review of an anti foam additives said it helps reduce foaming and air entrainment .. I'm confused  ... the review can be view here www.lubricants.com/BuyersGuide/EngineOil/Motorcycle/PennzoilMotorcycleMotorOils20W50.php?page= |
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Post by pamcopete on Apr 5, 2010 6:48:17 GMT -5
Zeus, That's the oil that I recommend. I think I noticed a slight improvement in anti foaming based on my subjective look at the oil pressure, but there is still foaming in the oil, that can't be eliminated. All of these additives talk about "improving this" or "reducing that" but non of them say that they eliminate or completely fix the problems. It's all a compromise, and quite often one additive will interfere with another additives ability to work. Example is the higher amount of detergents in Diesel oil which interfere with the action of the ZDDP, so the petroleum engineers have to decide which problem is more important for a particular application and formulate an oil for that application. Here's a quote from the link you provided: A special anti-foaming agent is included to reduce foaming and air entrainment at high engine speeds. Notice it says "reduce", not eliminate foaming. That's why you should beware of oil brands that promise everything, and I'm thinking of one in particular. These oils are good for high speed, good for low speed, good for stop and go driving, good for steady highway driving, great in the winter, superlative in the summer, they have extra additives, double additives, specially formulated additives just for you. You can use them in your truck, your car, your boat, your lawn mower, and your motorcycle. Yeah....right...kinda like a McDonald's cheeseburger......something for everybody but satisfying no one. |
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Post by zeus on Apr 5, 2010 7:37:06 GMT -5
I'll try to look for that type of oil in my area, hope I can get one of those and see how it goes.
Thanks for the advice pete.
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Post by retiredgentleman on Apr 20, 2010 10:24:22 GMT -5
I had been looking for Pennzoil 20W50 Motorcycle oil around Calgary. While buying some gas line, in a local automotive supplier, I just happen to find that they sell the Pennzoil Motorcycle oil.
So, now I have some, but my bike has fresh oil ( Castrol 20W50 Motorcycle oil). I'll be trying out the Pennzoil at my next oil change.
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Post by scabber on Apr 21, 2010 17:14:12 GMT -5
Heres my 2 cents worth. mercury m. morse recommends 15w40 diesel unknown brand will ask ? When I bought bike original owner used yamalube 1200miles. First oil change switched to mobile 1 syn 20w50 big mistake I guess, have had clutch slipping problems ever since. changed disc mikes springs. Now have more horspower more slipping. I,am switching back to motorcycle oil could not find pennzoil, bought valvoline 20w50 motorcycle oil if clutch stops slipping will continue use. Have Clutch apart like 5twins says never seen clutch disc worn past factory min specs. all three sets I checked all met specs. same with steels. I know this is an oil thread but this is all related.
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... ) and I saved a bunch. 2 engines.... 
...8 quarts each of expensive AeroShell.... 
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