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Post by loudandfast on Apr 5, 2011 19:53:22 GMT -5
Just bought a 76 xs bobber from a guy that put the PAMCO set up on it. Got it home went over the bike,got it started, then turned the key off, there is no kill switch. Apparently this fried the ignition from what i understand.PAMCO got right back to me on getting a replacment. My question is, what else could have been affected by this and might need to be checked\replaced. Im new to bikes so any help is greatly appreciated.
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Post by preston on Apr 5, 2011 20:20:17 GMT -5
Dear Loud &fast,,,
We may need you, to re-phrase your question,
I have Pamco, on both 75 and 77 bikes.
I only use the key (and altough there is a kill swich on the bar, i never use it, I just the key to shut it off),,,,,
So, if the bike is off, and key is off, there should be no problem.
If for some reason, the key is on, and left on, and bike is not running,, yes, we are told that will fry up the little ignition components, on the PAMCO plate. ( i think the coil is OK, BUT, i may be wrong on that)
ALSO, do not run it, with one plug disconnected, as that will cause issues also.
Preston
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Post by loudandfast on Apr 5, 2011 21:23:28 GMT -5
I found this in a forum, seems like exactly what happened to me. Thats why I was thinking the lack of kill switch was the culprit. The key is in an chopper "oil tank" so when the key turns off is it the same as removing the battery? "BIG note, if you are using the Pamco Pete electronic ignition make sure you run a relay from the key switch to the kill switch that will open the power to the Pamco when you turn your bike off by the key. If you dont, the first time you turn your bike off at the key you’ll just disconnect the battery from the equation and lose your dampener and the bike will voltage spike, then shut off. and all your wiring including your ignition will be toast!!! its just a safety circuit in case you kill it with the key and not the kill switch just that one time!!!
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Post by preston on Apr 6, 2011 8:13:28 GMT -5
Okay,,
this is all way beyond me, I guess as I have a basically stock bike... and stock type wire harness.
My red Pamco wire, goes to the standard red and white stripe yamaha wire, (to coil) which goes to the key switch (and also, the kill switch , i have to assume )
Black Pamco wire to ground, and green Pamco wire to other coil terminal.
No problems, what so ever, for 3 years, and many miles and rides later.
I hope you are able to sort this out.
Preston
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Post by xsleo on Apr 7, 2011 20:50:18 GMT -5
I have the Pamcoignition. I wired the bike myself. I have power running from the battery thru a fuse to the key switch. From the key switch to A fuse block. One fuse on the fuse block feeds power to the engine stop switch(kill switch). From the engine stop switch to a relay. With the key and engine stop switch in the run position, the relay is energized.
A fuse sends power to the relay, when the relay is energized it sends power to the Pamco and coil.
I use the engine stop switch to stop the engine then turn the key off. I have had it wired this way for a couple years. It works well,no problems with the Pamco.
I use this procedure on all my bikes.
I started to develope this habit on my Harley. For some reason on the Harley, stopping the engine by turning the key off can mess up the computer. Turn the engine off with the engine stop switch and it won't mess up the computer. Why, I don't know, thats just the way it is. So I do it that way on all the bikes.
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Post by loudandfast on Apr 10, 2011 23:05:53 GMT -5
thanks xsleo, thats what the diagrams i'v found pretty much show. As soon as i get the ignition back,Im going to rewire it and everything hopefully will be fine.
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Post by billychop on Apr 11, 2011 12:15:39 GMT -5
loudandfast, what you stated about needing a kill switch is incorrect. You don't need a kill switch at all, as a matter of fact there are probably thousands of XS choppers that don't have one including mine. I have a pamco and a car type switch without a kill switch and have a couple thousand trouble free miles.
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Post by loudandfast on Apr 12, 2011 22:51:22 GMT -5
All i know is my bike ran. I turned off the key and the ignition fried. All the diagrams i can find show the kill switch.Do you have a relay wired in that protects the ignition maybe?
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Post by billychop on Apr 15, 2011 10:52:29 GMT -5
Didn't mean to offend man, I just wanted you to know that you don't have to have a kill switch. I have a fuse from the battery to the switch of course but thats it. Not running a kill switch is about as common as not having turn signals. I hope I'm not coming across as aggressive, I just wanted anybody reading the thread to know that you don't HAVE to have one. Take a look at any custom bike, NONE have a kill switch.
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Post by loudandfast on Apr 16, 2011 23:17:06 GMT -5
No offense taken, I'll take all the help I can get on getting this figured out. Just going to get the new ignition,rewire it, and cross my fingers. Billychop, did you follow a wiring diagram I could look u? I would like to keep the bike as clean as possible. No switches, no signals.
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Post by billychop on Apr 17, 2011 11:31:16 GMT -5
The only copy I currently have is a paper copy. I'll the guy I got it from to email his and I'll shoot it to you when I get it. It's VERY basic and easy to follow. Headlight w/switch, brake/tail light and power to the speedo is all I have and it's been reliable so far. I'll give you a shout when I have it.
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Post by loudandfast on Apr 17, 2011 14:34:28 GMT -5
That be great, appreciate it
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Post by ShakerNorm on Apr 17, 2011 20:19:11 GMT -5
If it ran, then fried out when you shut it off - I'm betting you have a loose wire that shorted out somewhere. Pete's system isn't bulletproof, but it is simple and reliable - 2 points that are very important.
The kill switch is just a convenience, and only does the same job as the key switch - turns off the ignition. It's just one more thing to go wrong - especially if it's wired up wrong.
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Post by loudandfast on Apr 17, 2011 21:33:09 GMT -5
That makes sense, I am going to follow dogbunny's diagram or the one billychop is sending. I'm trying to keep just the basics so hopefully that will be what billychops diagram is. Getting sunny here, just wanna get her on the road.
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Post by xsleo on Apr 19, 2011 17:10:53 GMT -5
www.yamahaxs650.com is Pamcopete's ignition web site. You might find it worth reading. He has installation instructions on there. Go by them and check your wiring. It also tells how to check for spark without turning the engine. Leo
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