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Post by mrriggs on Jan 16, 2015 14:52:41 GMT -5
I did get a chance to rig up a measurement of maximum movement of using the stock pully-screw mechanism and I was consistently at 2.08mm. Mind you that's without any resistance applied. Yeah, that definitely makes a difference. There is so much slop and flex in the stock setup under load that you loose quite a bit of travel. I did measure the pressure plate travel on my bike when it still had the stock cable/actuator and it was only 1mm. |
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Post by fredintoon on May 6, 2015 13:03:20 GMT -5
It's funny that you would call the Heiden setup overpriced, I was just about to comment about how cheap it is. Mine cost twice that much and that doesn't even count the labor. Hi mrrigs, nice design, not as simple as my own "run the clutch cable in a free swoopy curve" fix but perhaps more effective and certainly more elegant. But HTF did your actuator cost twice as much in parts alone as Heidens does in parts + labor + profit margin? Unless you paid someone to make the actuator body? That, I can understand. Fred Hill, S'toon. |
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Post by mrriggs on May 11, 2015 17:08:21 GMT -5
But HTF did your actuator cost twice as much in parts alone as Heidens does in parts + labor + profit margin? Unless you paid someone to make the actuator body? That, I can understand. Fred Hill, S'toon. Not just the actuator, the entire system. The master cylinder, hose and fittings alone were more than the Heiden system. Add to that the materials and tooling to make the slave. |
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Post by mrriggs on Jul 28, 2015 12:42:46 GMT -5
It occurred to me that I should give a follow up on this project. I've got over 4,000 miles on it now. It has been pretty much out of mind because it has given no issues to make me think about it. It just works, day-in and day-out. It hasn't lost a drop of fluid and hasn't needed any bleeding or adjustment.
I designed it for the lightest pull possible because I was suffering from chronic pain from a hand injury. My hand wasn't healing because the stock [stiff] clutch was constantly aggravating it. After a few months of running this hydraulic clutch my hand healed and I experience NO pain now.
The down side to a super light pull is excessive lever travel. I would like to step up a size or two on the master cylinder to give it a shorter pull but can't really justify spending money to replace a parts that is working perfectly well.
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Post by Mino on Oct 24, 2015 9:24:54 GMT -5
Outstanding work mrriggs!
Could you be persuaded to make another of the complete slave cylinder assembly to include the hard line for sale to me? .... PLEASE!!! :-) This is a serious offer if you'd entertain shooting me a price. I understand you may not be interested in selling these so I'll also understand if your asking price is ... well, let's just say "outrageous". But I'd say your design has passed the testing stage and you've created what seems to me to be the most perfect solution to XS clutch issues. And you've even done it in a completely "bolt on" manner. Again simply Outstanding!
By the way, could you elaborate on the hot/cold/finding neutral issues with your setup?
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Post by mrriggs on Oct 24, 2015 12:15:51 GMT -5
By the way, could you elaborate on the hot/cold/finding neutral issues with your setup? In a nut shell, I can now put it in neutral while stopped where before [with the cable clutch] I could only get it in neutral while rolling. For so many years I had to find neutral before stopping. It's just habit and I never really thought about it much, still do it now even though I don't have to. I guess, if you are not used to doing it then it can be a bit aggravating. Hot or cold doesn't seem to matter much but it does get a bit finicky when it's time to change the [motor] oil. By finicky, I mean you need to blip the throttle to get it in neutral while stopped. With fresh oil that problem goes away. I probably go longer than I should between oil changes so that's more a symptom of my neglect than it is a clutch issue. I really should get off my butt and make a few more slave cylinders. I think I have enough materials for three more, two are already spoken for but I'll keep you in mind for the third. |
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Post by Mino on Oct 25, 2015 8:26:33 GMT -5
See, I told you I thought it was the most perfect solution, you even get an automatic oil change indicator without the need for additional "stuff" like fancy electronics, etc. I think your brainchild is absolutely fantastic mrriggs!
Something else occurred to me, if one wanted to install a 750cc kit with the necessary heavier clutch springs, this would work quite nicely for the added clutch lever pull that would create.
I would be most grateful if you'd keep me in mind and even more so should you "get off your butt" and sell me one. :-) I'm going to get off my butt and send my wish list to Santa early this year and ask for only one thing, a mrriggs "XS Miracle Slave" (feel free to use the name if you market this, lol). And yes, I've been very good this year. Seriously, thank you for your reply and please, please, please keep me in mind. I think I'll go clean my chimney now, I'd hate Santa to pass me by over a dirty chimney.
PS I'm a new member to this site and just updated my profile settings. My e-mail address is now visible in my profile and would be the surest way to contact me regarding terms for the slave cylinder. I assume your avatar is a pic of your bike. Do you have a link to pics of your bike?
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Post by mrriggs on Oct 27, 2015 8:19:15 GMT -5
I assume your avatar is a pic of your bike. Do you have a link to pics of your bike? That is an old pic of my bike, it's changed a bit over the years. It's no beauty queen, just my daily rider, so I don't have many pics of it. The most recent one I could find was shot in the parking lot at work a couple winters ago. It's got different pipes and back fender on it now.  |
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Post by Mino on Oct 27, 2015 10:02:20 GMT -5
I assume your avatar is a pic of your bike. Do you have a link to pics of your bike? That is an old pic of my bike, it's changed a bit over the years. It's no beauty queen, just my daily rider, so I don't have many pics of it. The most recent one I could find was shot in the parking lot at work a couple winters ago. It's got different pipes and back fender on it now. A daily rider is probably the one you truly love most, or at least should, as she's the one who stands by your side and fills your senses every day. At some point you may wish you had a few more pics of your life together. She's pretty enough, I'd "do" her. lol I see you've put her on a diet. I like it. I've always loved that rear fender look. It's difficult to get it to flow with the seat on a swing-arm bike. I'll take a stab at creating an attachment of what I mean. Sorry for the small size, I don't know how to enlarge it. If you click on it it enlarges.  |
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Post by mrriggs on Oct 27, 2015 10:42:23 GMT -5
That's the difference between a looker and a rider. The pic you posted would be completely un-ridable with the frame that low to the ground. And why even bother with a swingarm when there is zero suspension travel?
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Post by Mino on Oct 29, 2015 10:15:35 GMT -5
I absolutely agree. I was only referring to the problem of finding a way to get the "line" of that style fender to flow with a rear suspension, something I've pondered from time to time as I REALLY like that fender look. It takes me back to a happier time.
Some hard tails I've seen with that style fender have a nice line in my opinion and this is as close to a hard tail line as I've seen with suspension, that's why I posted it. I can't imagine even trying to ride the bike I showed. Like you, I'm looking for something I can ride, not just look at. Kind of like women, while there's the one you love, but others are still "interesting" to look at from time to time. :-)
There's a part of me that wants to strip down my bike much like you have done. Life's become so busy and complicated I want something that's simple and basic enough for me to understand and deal with that won't likely let me down. But I like electric start, windscreens, and a few other things. I suspect for functionality I'll probably stick much with stock on my next rebuild, except for a hydraulic clutch and some electronic upgrades hopefully.
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Post by wombatss on Jan 2, 2016 7:10:29 GMT -5
I JUST WAN'T TO SAY , PLEASE THINK ABOUT SOME OF US OLDER RIDERS ( OLD FART'S ) , THE YEAR'S TAKE THERE TOLL ON HAND'S SO PLEASE THINK ABOUT GETTING SOMEONE TO MAKE THIS GREAT CLUCH KIT , I AM ONLY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF . BUT IF YOU LOOKED AT SOMEONE LIKE ( HUGHS HAND BUILT } THEY DO GOOD WORK , AT A FAIR PRICE . IT WOULD MAKE RIDING SO MUCH MORE FUN . AND IT LOOK'S LIKE IT'S A BREASE TO FIT .
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Post by mrriggs on Aug 29, 2016 11:32:04 GMT -5
This hydraulic clutch has nearly 10,000 trouble free miles on it now and there have been a lot of people inquiring about buying one. I was kind of hoping that someone would have come out with a cheap copy-cat by now and saved me the trouble of tooling up to make more. Oh well, I'll make up a few more slaves and see how it goes.
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Post by 350guy on Jan 29, 2021 18:19:24 GMT -5
Hi Mr. Riggs: Any chance of getting the slave cylinder? I need this bad. Many thanks.
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