Replacement electronic flasher

[steve78650]

Here's my replacement info to replace the thermal 3 prong flasher with a 3 prong variable load electronic flasher.

Tridon Stant EL13 (found mine at Schucks)
12V, 3 Terminal
Variable Load up to 10 Lamps
Auto/Truck/RV Trailer Towing

Swap the pins in the plug as follows:
P Terminal-Yellow/Green
B Terminal-Brown/White
X Terminal-Brown

This flasher is smaller in length and diameter than my stock. I used a piece of inner tube and did one wrap around it, fits fine. The smaller length is nice because it's a little easier to get in/out.

[Six-Five-O]

Does this flasher look to be a robust unit?

You know considering the vibration it'll be seeing on an XS650.

Sounds great though Steve.

John

[steve78650]

We'll see how it holds up. I know they say the electronics will last 10 times longer than the thermal style. I'll keep you posted and see how it does over the long haul. Hopefully it works fine-I hate yanking my tank for little stuff!

[Six-Five-O]

Thanks Steve,

By looking robust, I mean is the flasher case stout looking, made of metal or plastic?

Do you now notice as much of the ol' on/off dimming effect of the neutral or the headlight with the turn signals turned on? ..I reckon with the bulbs drawing 27 watts each, some dimming is unavoidable, but I'm curious as to how the electronic flasher, Vs the old bi-metallic flasher affects the degree of the dimming effect..

Cheers
John

[steve78650]

Plastic housing-feels pretty 'stout', but it is plastic.
My bike isn't yet running, so I haven't had a chance to check the other systems-I will as soon as I can. Just my initial opinion, it seems to blink a good solid blink, bright and consistent. Might be just the slightest bit faster than the thermal one, but it's not noticeable if you didn't know you put a new flasher in.

[Six-Five-O]

Cool,


Thanks Steve..I think I'll try one and have a look myself.

Regards

John

[Phil]

six-five-O, as I mentioned to Steve I havent picked up any LEDs for turn signals yet, but even with the higher draw the headlight doesnt seem to flicker or dim that I have seen. Blinking is constant running, not running high or low idle. As far as robust, I have only been riding the bike for a couple weeks due to weather, wiring, and carb issues but so far the new blinker is rock solid.

[Six-Five-O]

Thanks Phil,

Do you notice the headlight or neutral indicator or tail-light sort of dimming [in time] while the turn-signals actually flash? This dimming I'm referring to occurs as the turn signal bulbs cycle on and off.. As I mentioned to Steve, I'd think the 27 watt draw of the bulbs, [2X27=54 watts] would cause some dimming, but I have wondered how much the old bi-metallic flasher has contributed to the dimming effect...It's more noticeable at night with the headlight, which in my case is also a daytime running light..

You know what they say about curiosity

John

[Phil]

six-five-O, I just got back from a business trip last night so havent had a chance to play with her. I havent noticed ANY dimming slowing or other variation in the blinkers, panel indicators, or the headlight. I will try to get out and start her up tonight and pay closer attention but if it is doing it it isnt obvious.

[LarryBart]

Hellow LBart Here:

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We seem to have two threads running one here and one on charging : Our good friend tom has come back with info on the flasher he bought in amish country and he was kind enough to send a personnal message to me, Reads as follow's:
The name is: "The Buggy Flasher" but that is a sticker on the box. It says NOT WATER PROOF but it looks sealed and wouldwork ok under the tank. It is plastic housing and looks well made, but has a breather ?? hole in it. It also says for Regular or LED bulbs 12 volts up to 20 amps. The manuf. is Track Master Inc. dist by:
Hurd Solar Phone # is: (ohio) 330-545-8113,I know that it is sold in Ahio Amish country by a place that has a contract in Taiwann.. it is made there.. and may be found elsewhere under different Brand names??
The wiring terminals are X (to battery +) L (to lights) and the black wire is a ground. I'm still going to try this on my bike as it is solid state controlled with a relay on board.. up to 20 A relay contacts.. maybe it won't draw as much current to flash as the other units we've seen? The guy at the buggy shop said they have other flashers( 3-wire thermal) that consume as much current as the old 1157 bulbs themselves, so I think this is a winner!!
Note:
I just got off the phone with Paul owner of TMI LED Tech
Site usaled.com hopefully Paul will post with some great info, I have no ties to his bussiness however you may find his info useful.

Best Regards LBart

[PaulCrunk]

We have the Turn Signal Flasher that will work on ALL motorcycles, which is made by TMI LED Technology Detroit, Michigan (USA)

We at TMI LED Technology manufacturers and hold a Patent on the Model EL98 Electronic Turn Signal Flasher with 2 prong with ground wire. (+) is from turn signal switch to flasher and (L) goes out from flasher to the vehicle turns signal lights and the black wire attached to the flasher connects to the vehicle ground to allow flasher to operate. If Ground wire is not attached to the vehicle ground it will not work.
It's the solution for low powered motorcycle electrical systems and can be also used on auto or semi trucks. It will operate on 6-14 volts DC. It is the best available in the world market and will flash 1 single LED or many LED lamps.
This flasher can be used on both LED or standard bulb lamps. The flasher will operate from 20mA to 20 amps, so those that have voltage limits can use this flasher and it will work without draining the electrical system and can be purchased on line at usaled.com TMI also offers low power draw Hour Meters and Tachometer that will read up to 30,000 RPM with highest RPM recall. Great for tune ups and all types of racing markets. All TMI meters are water tight and ideal for watercraft applications and all motorcycles.

To view and order the EL98 Flasher or any Super Bright LED 1156 or 1157 Bulb visit: usaled.com/

TMI LED 1156 and 1157 LED Bulbs are Super Bright have a wide light pattern to fill your lamp lens with bright light = to 25 LEDs.
Please do not buy the White LED bulbs for use behind a Red lens, because it WILL NOT work, because the red lens filters out the white LED light. You need to use Red LEDs behind a Red lens and Yellow LEDs behind an amber lens.

Just a quick note to TMI will be coming out with a SUPER BRIGHT 18 LED bulb in 60 day which will be = to 90 LEDs and draw very little power, approximate amp draw .45 amps /5.4 watts
the current TMI 61 LED lamps for trucks and utility trailers draw only 0.07A on Tail mode and 0.47A on Stop mode.

If you are looking to cut your electric bill by 95%?
TMI also offer 110 volt AC LED light bulbs for home and business and 12 volt DC bulbs for motorhomes and campers, which draw 1.2 watt of power and produce 25 watts of Super Bright Light.
usaled.com
Paul Crunk

[Six-Five-O]

Paul,

What are the actual physical dimensions of the Electronic Turn Signal Flasher housing? How does it hold up to heat and vibration?

Do you offer any 1157 LED bulbs with more LEDs than the bulbs shown on you website [which has five large LEDs]

What is the actual physical dimension of the LED array it's self...I realize it's a 1157 type, but with the 5 large LEDs, I am curious on the "bulb" size and concerned how it might fit into the tail-light lens of the various XS650s, which is the focus of this board .. I've noticed those 5 large LED bulbs in various tractor trailer tail-light assemblies, and those will not fit into the confined space of the XS650 tail-lights .

Lastly, Do you and your company provide samples for evaluation, for the purpose of potential market surveying.....

If so, contact me or Bob_ Dammit personally as Administrators of this XS-650 board, for mailing information, We will evaluate your 1157 LED arrays and the Electronic Turn Signal Flasher and post our findings here on the XS-650 Garage USA discussion board and then return the items to you, or purchase the evaluated items if they prove useful to this group of XS-650 owners/riders.

My email address is:

[e-mail]

Bob_Dammit's email address is:

[e-mail]


John Mitchell - Co/Administrator of the XS-650 Garage USA. Discussion Board.

[Six-Five-O]

Hey Steve.

Yes I agree, he does have the potential of some sales here... I felt like there were some questions that were worth asking before everyone gets excited thinking we have found the "holy grail" of low draw signal flashers and LED arrays..

Cheap enough prices though if the stuff works out.. ;D

BTW..I sent him an direct email of the post I put up. So I hope not everyone bombards the guy with requests for samples.

Regards

John

[Six-Five-O]

The one thing I noticed was that his flasher was a 2 prong...Aren't all wiring harnesses 3 prong? My 78E is.

I think you are correct, the flasher on my 82 is a three prong unit.

However, I noticed the replacement flasher that Mike Lalonde @ MikesXS offers, is a two prong unit as well..He advises that the self cancelling feature does not operate with his flasher as a result..


So. I'm unsure about the one Paul Crunk is offering..
I'm also curious as to the size of the "bulb" portion of the 1157 type LED with the 5 Large LEDs...

John

[steve78650]

I tried an 1157 from Autozone in my taillight awhile back, it was the same size in diameter but not as tall. Made my brake light flash, so I returned it. I'm sure he can give exact measurements....