Post by LarryBart on Aug 3, 2004 17:30:00 GMT -5
Hellow All:
As most if not all of you already know the search for any way to lower the Load on our XS650 charging system that in it's best day will output 14.5 Volts @ 16 AMP to a fully charged 13.5 Volt 14 Amp Hr. Battery @ 5000RPM.
That is the case for a system in excellent conduction and repair. To that end there has been a search for any lighting device that will do as well as any current installed at a price that wont break the bank. Many members have spent considerable time and effort not to mention money on this quest that will benefit all members on the board . After searching for an flasher unit to replace our existing one’s we came upon a new company called TMI of Detroit Michigan. Paul Crunk is the owner and in addition to an Electronic flasher unit he also makes and sells LED Lamps. Paul after hearing that we were looking for lower amp draw Led’s posted the following message to the board.
Paul was approached by the board and asked if he would supply three sets of lamps and Flashers for testing . His response was yes and he sent out three set’s. One set was sent to me . Change over to the new Lamps was straight forward enough a little back ground on my system and aside from two extra 1156 red turn signal lamps would be vary much like your’s. My system would use the max under the following conditions .
Engine running, Head lamp on High beam, Brake light’s on and Left turn signal on.
1. Head lamp Halogen on high beam 65.0 w
2. Left Turn signal Front 27.0 w
3. Left Outside Turn signal Rear 27.0 w
4. Left Inside Turn signal Rear 27.0 w
5. Stop Lamps Rear 2 ea. @ 27w ea. 54.0 w
6. License Plate Lamp 3.8 w
7. Meter and Inst Lighting 2ea. @ 3.4w 6.8 w
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210.6 w
So 210.6 w devide by 13.5 Volts = 15.6 Amps
Left inside rear would not be on your bike so 210.6 - 27w = 183.6 w devided by 13.5 Volts = 13.6 Amps. Just to keep me honest. Not much left to charge the battery with. Or about 2.4 Amps @ 5000RPM.
The following products were furnished to me at no cost for testing , following is the posted price on www.usaled.com as of 08-03-2004.
1. 4 ea. 1156 Amber LED’S @ $14.50 ea. = $58.00 .04 Amp draw ea..
2. 2 ea. 1156 Red LED’S @ $12.00 ea. = $24.00 .04 Amp draw ea.
3. 2 ea. 1157 Red LED’S @ $12.00 ea. =
$24.00 .04 Running & .04 Brake Light set X 2
ea. = .08 with both elements lit.
_____________________________________________
Sub Total for my Bike would =$106.00 for above ligting requirements as presently wired.
A 1982 XS650SJ with Factory lighting 2 ea.1156 Red Led's would not be considered also the cost would be
$24.00 Less for a Total Cost of $106.00 - $24.00 =
$82.00. Total Cost.
Adding in the remainder of lighting goes something like this for a Factory wired bike.
1. Headlamp Halogen on high beam. = 65 w
2. License Plate Lamp = 3.8 w
3. Meter and Inst Lighting 2ea.@3.4w = 6.8 w
4. Left Turn Front 1156 LED Amber = .04 A
5. Left Turn Rear 1156 Led Amber = .04 A
6. Rear 1157 Led Red Running and Brake = .o8 A
_____________________________________________
Totals 75.6 W And .16 A
75.6 W devided by 13.5 Volts = 5.60 Amps + 0.16 Amps = 5.76 Amp's Total. So 16 A Total Output - 5.76 A for lighting = 10.24 AMP'S @ 5000RPM
Previously I had installed a Tridon Stant EL13 Flasher mine died and I wanted a flasher that would support LED’S in the future. The Tridon Stant stopped supporting the system after I changed out 3ea. 1156 with the 1156 Led’s so I installed the EL98 Electronic furnished by TMI and the signals worked fine. A note about this flasher, it came to me as a unit that is not waterproof and had a clear tape across the top to cover eight holes in the top of the flasher unit. I found out that the holes were for a beeper when the flasher is in use and you can control the loudness of the beeping by uncovering only a few holes. After talking to Paul Crunk this afternoon he informed me that the flasher now comes as I described above or as a waterproof unit with no sound. The part No. EL98 is the same for both you simply choose Beeper or Beeper less when ordering. Cost for the flasher is $ 11.95 and work’s from 20ma to 20 AMP’S.
If you choose to just install a few LED’S the flasher will work with a combination of lamp types. I found being the old fart that I am that removing the tape and allowing the beeper to sound off I could not hear the beeping while the engine was running ( I wonder why ) however after I used only the kill switch to stop the engine I found before turning off the key I had left the turn signal on and in the bright sunlight I did not notice the flashing, the beeping sound alerted me.
Now on to the good part , sorry to bore you with all the above but I thought you deserved to see what my bike is set up for and may well mirror your’s. Are they brighter than the regular bulbs in a word YES ‘ Would I if I had to pay out the big bucks do this on my own YES over a period of time, the first thing I would buy is the flasher. My Son and wife are convinced that the light’s are even brighter than I did as well as an experienced rider friend dose. I asked Paul when the 90 degree LED’S would be available and he said at the end of the month or in early September as for their price he has not put a price on as of yet. Even with the led on it’s side so to speak when the turn signals light-up you know it even though the whole lenses is not filled as it would with the same level of brightness all the way around the lenses. Before I installed the new lamps I took Pauls advice and painted the inside of all housings with a chrome bright paint .I tried to take pictures of the light’s lit-up but my digital camera was not up to the task and it looked like a large Red eye. Any and all questions and or comments welcomed.
A note: To Paul Crunk and his employees at TMI
I apologize for transposing your web address
as it should be www.usaled.com
S--t : Would you believe I did it again I managed to spell Paul's last name wrong, Paul was good natured about it and a little humor in your life is a good thing.
Best Regards LarryBart
As most if not all of you already know the search for any way to lower the Load on our XS650 charging system that in it's best day will output 14.5 Volts @ 16 AMP to a fully charged 13.5 Volt 14 Amp Hr. Battery @ 5000RPM.
That is the case for a system in excellent conduction and repair. To that end there has been a search for any lighting device that will do as well as any current installed at a price that wont break the bank. Many members have spent considerable time and effort not to mention money on this quest that will benefit all members on the board . After searching for an flasher unit to replace our existing one’s we came upon a new company called TMI of Detroit Michigan. Paul Crunk is the owner and in addition to an Electronic flasher unit he also makes and sells LED Lamps. Paul after hearing that we were looking for lower amp draw Led’s posted the following message to the board.
Paul was approached by the board and asked if he would supply three sets of lamps and Flashers for testing . His response was yes and he sent out three set’s. One set was sent to me . Change over to the new Lamps was straight forward enough a little back ground on my system and aside from two extra 1156 red turn signal lamps would be vary much like your’s. My system would use the max under the following conditions .
Engine running, Head lamp on High beam, Brake light’s on and Left turn signal on.
1. Head lamp Halogen on high beam 65.0 w
2. Left Turn signal Front 27.0 w
3. Left Outside Turn signal Rear 27.0 w
4. Left Inside Turn signal Rear 27.0 w
5. Stop Lamps Rear 2 ea. @ 27w ea. 54.0 w
6. License Plate Lamp 3.8 w
7. Meter and Inst Lighting 2ea. @ 3.4w 6.8 w
_________
210.6 w
So 210.6 w devide by 13.5 Volts = 15.6 Amps
Left inside rear would not be on your bike so 210.6 - 27w = 183.6 w devided by 13.5 Volts = 13.6 Amps. Just to keep me honest. Not much left to charge the battery with. Or about 2.4 Amps @ 5000RPM.
The following products were furnished to me at no cost for testing , following is the posted price on www.usaled.com as of 08-03-2004.
1. 4 ea. 1156 Amber LED’S @ $14.50 ea. = $58.00 .04 Amp draw ea..
2. 2 ea. 1156 Red LED’S @ $12.00 ea. = $24.00 .04 Amp draw ea.
3. 2 ea. 1157 Red LED’S @ $12.00 ea. =
$24.00 .04 Running & .04 Brake Light set X 2
ea. = .08 with both elements lit.
_____________________________________________
Sub Total for my Bike would =$106.00 for above ligting requirements as presently wired.
A 1982 XS650SJ with Factory lighting 2 ea.1156 Red Led's would not be considered also the cost would be
$24.00 Less for a Total Cost of $106.00 - $24.00 =
$82.00. Total Cost.
Adding in the remainder of lighting goes something like this for a Factory wired bike.
1. Headlamp Halogen on high beam. = 65 w
2. License Plate Lamp = 3.8 w
3. Meter and Inst Lighting 2ea.@3.4w = 6.8 w
4. Left Turn Front 1156 LED Amber = .04 A
5. Left Turn Rear 1156 Led Amber = .04 A
6. Rear 1157 Led Red Running and Brake = .o8 A
_____________________________________________
Totals 75.6 W And .16 A
75.6 W devided by 13.5 Volts = 5.60 Amps + 0.16 Amps = 5.76 Amp's Total. So 16 A Total Output - 5.76 A for lighting = 10.24 AMP'S @ 5000RPM
Previously I had installed a Tridon Stant EL13 Flasher mine died and I wanted a flasher that would support LED’S in the future. The Tridon Stant stopped supporting the system after I changed out 3ea. 1156 with the 1156 Led’s so I installed the EL98 Electronic furnished by TMI and the signals worked fine. A note about this flasher, it came to me as a unit that is not waterproof and had a clear tape across the top to cover eight holes in the top of the flasher unit. I found out that the holes were for a beeper when the flasher is in use and you can control the loudness of the beeping by uncovering only a few holes. After talking to Paul Crunk this afternoon he informed me that the flasher now comes as I described above or as a waterproof unit with no sound. The part No. EL98 is the same for both you simply choose Beeper or Beeper less when ordering. Cost for the flasher is $ 11.95 and work’s from 20ma to 20 AMP’S.
If you choose to just install a few LED’S the flasher will work with a combination of lamp types. I found being the old fart that I am that removing the tape and allowing the beeper to sound off I could not hear the beeping while the engine was running ( I wonder why ) however after I used only the kill switch to stop the engine I found before turning off the key I had left the turn signal on and in the bright sunlight I did not notice the flashing, the beeping sound alerted me.
Now on to the good part , sorry to bore you with all the above but I thought you deserved to see what my bike is set up for and may well mirror your’s. Are they brighter than the regular bulbs in a word YES ‘ Would I if I had to pay out the big bucks do this on my own YES over a period of time, the first thing I would buy is the flasher. My Son and wife are convinced that the light’s are even brighter than I did as well as an experienced rider friend dose. I asked Paul when the 90 degree LED’S would be available and he said at the end of the month or in early September as for their price he has not put a price on as of yet. Even with the led on it’s side so to speak when the turn signals light-up you know it even though the whole lenses is not filled as it would with the same level of brightness all the way around the lenses. Before I installed the new lamps I took Pauls advice and painted the inside of all housings with a chrome bright paint .I tried to take pictures of the light’s lit-up but my digital camera was not up to the task and it looked like a large Red eye. Any and all questions and or comments welcomed.
A note: To Paul Crunk and his employees at TMI
I apologize for transposing your web address
as it should be www.usaled.com
S--t : Would you believe I did it again I managed to spell Paul's last name wrong, Paul was good natured about it and a little humor in your life is a good thing.
Best Regards LarryBart
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